Comments on: Now lets not be NHS Nazi-link Deniers – or Tories

By: Neuroskeptic

Neuroskeptic — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:46:11 +0000

“This is why our education is being dumbed down, this is why our children have mercury in their vaccines.”

Actually IQs have been steadily rising for the past 100 years (present company excepted), which we people who know stuff call the Flynn effect. Plus mercury is no longer used in British vaccines except for DTwP (and DTwP/Hib) and Td, the amount of mercury found in vaccines is in any case lower than the amount you’d get from eating a fish, and… I’m wasting my time, aren’t I?

By: Sussex nurse

Sussex nurse — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 10:03:26 +0000

The Nazis were effectively disbanded at the end of the war in 1945. The NHS was founded in July 1948. How could Hitler possibly have commented?

By: Adrian Peirson

Adrian Peirson — Thu, 04 Feb 2010 00:20:23 +0000

Thanks for highlighting this issue, has anyone else noted the plethora of programmes and articles there is now on Euthenasia.
I happen to believe it ought to be available but should be exceptionally difficult to obtain.
Look at the case of abortion where they said it would only be used sparingly yet since 1970, 7.2 Million have been performed.
We are now told that we need more people here yet
http://www.tinyurl.com/50millionsecretplot

Had we not aborted these babies, they would by now be having children of their own.
Now they are not only telling us we need more people here but that we should
sterilise British children
http://tinyurl.com/55j6em

Eugenics is correct, this is what is happening, they want workers, not thinkers, this is why our education is being dumbed down, this is why our children have mercury in their vaccines.
http://www.tinyurl.com/kennedyonautism

We are being replaced.

By: Neuroskeptic

Neuroskeptic — Mon, 01 Feb 2010 16:10:51 +0000

“It makes them even more wary about intolerance towards smokers, the obese, the mentally ill”

I am “the mentally ill”. I can say that I feel much more Nazi vibes from you, sir/madam, than from the NHS, whose treatment of me has been fantastic.

How dare you.

“This is fantastic! Instead of acknowledging the literature suggested – much of it from the left – or indeed, actually simply acknowledging some of the history of ideas being alluded to, some of the commenters seem to be suggesting that these realities should be ignored or perhaps not discussed.”

I ackowledge history. I don’t judge present realities on the basis of their historical origins. That’s what we call the “genetic fallacy”, and some day, when you learn to think, I think you will too.

By: Martin

Martin — Mon, 01 Feb 2010 00:28:30 +0000

There were plenty of doctors and politicians of all kinds enthusiastic about eugenics in the 1930s. have a look at the Peckham experiment http://www.sochealth.co.uk/Peckham/peck01.htm
It is hard to see what that has got to do with the NHS, either then or now. A eugenic approach would deny treatment to those thought to be unfit, not, as the NHS does, offer a universal service. Of course a free market in health tends to deny care to those who are defective because they won’t have money to pay. The first part of the welfare state was the institution of sick pay, so that people didn’t starve when they were too ill to work.

By: Zarathustra

Zarathustra — Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:52:38 +0000

If at times we’ve been forceful and a bit rude, this is not because we feel fragile. It’s simply a reflection of the absolute rubbish that’s been spoken here.

The link with the Nazis is tenuous at best – so some Nazi apparatchik wrote a memo saying that the NHS looked like a good idea – well, so what?

The Nazis built motorways, therefore Welcome Break are Nazis.

The Nazis created youth organisations, therefore the Brownies are Nazis.

The Nazis made the trains run on time, therefore Virgin Rail…oh.

Speaking of which, whose silly idea was it to privatise the railways? Oh yes, it was you lot at the Adam Smith Institute.

By: warwick nurse

warwick nurse — Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:52:02 +0000

By the way, I thought Guido Fawkes blog the other day on all of this history and the Fabians and eugenics was amazing. I have dug around this area in the last couple of days. There seems to be an interesting history there. So what if it comes out into more daylight? Do defenders of the NHS feel so fragile that they have to so forcefully and at times rudely assert their case? Thanks. Hope this is allowed. Bless you all.

By: warwick nurse

warwick nurse — Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:40:48 +0000

This is fantastic! Instead of acknowledging the literature suggested – much of it from the left – or indeed, actually simply acknowledging some of the history of ideas being alluded to, some of the commenters seem to be suggesting that these realities should be ignored or perhaps not discussed. What a case for ignorance. Some people might not like aspects of the early history behind the welfare state but that is no reason to damn out of hand those who think we should at least acknowledge this aspect. Indeed, surely it puts the defenders of the NHS on their toes. It makes them even more wary about intolerance towards smokers, the obese, the mentally ill and the frail elderly who often get a pretty poor deal in our society. All state bodies can be cruel to minorities sometimes. Wherever any of us come from politically, let us not deny that. Instead, let us learn from history and guard against it repeating itself.

By: Billy

Billy — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:07:11 +0000

Are you really a nurse? Dear lord. Quite insulting linking the NHS founder Aneurin “Nye” Bevan, with National socialism. You’ll find, if you read Hansard from 1939, Bevan argued against Neville Chamberlain and appeasement toward Nazi Gemany, arguing for Winston Churchill be appointed war time leader.

Warwick nurse would be better advised learning history from sources other than this tripe.

P.s, Privatised healthcare, for the advantages it does offer, is ineffiecent, costly, not universial and unsubstainable. U.S. businesses, in particular it’s manufacturing sector are unwilling to pay the bills. Hence current U.S. health reforms, with the State underwritting a higher proportion of the costs

By: Bill Major

Bill Major — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:29:31 +0000

“Warwicknurse”
Wow what an eye opener? I did not realise that the NHS was all part of an international conspiracy. Seems I’ve heard that before?
What does this remind me of?
You certainly do have a lot to learn, but you won’t learn it from the dodgy connections listed above. You certainly won’t learn anything from websites and organisations which have “The Heritage Foundation” as a sponsor